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  1. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    if you view that contingent event occurring at a specific point in time as being attributable only to that point in time, then I guess thatā€™s one way to look at it having negotiated things like this myself, they were aware that the market cap trigger need not be maintained for any period to...
  2. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    Howā€™s that? Wasnā€™t it largely a market cap trigger. Where can I find the details of his comp package youā€™re referencing?
  3. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    I didnā€™t say ā€˜bothā€™ in any event, your points are well taken and good context that is relevant to honing in on the relevant critics of the Lucid package I intended to compare Muskā€™s comp package that year as an example of how these comp packages are hard to judge when cherry picked or...
  4. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    Which is all my original comment was attempting to say I said itā€™s still nutty money was adding only that knowing exactly how nutty, in which ways, takes digging into the details to repeat (a third time), Iā€™m not trying to defend the package - that would be dumb instead that ā€œhe made X when...
  5. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    Yes, minced words with the prior revenue statement bad compare on my part
  6. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    if optics is all your orig post was driving at, it wasnā€™t clear and Iā€™m not saying there arenā€™t notable differences, but: Tesla made $12B in revenue in 2022, so Muskā€™s 2022 compensation was 182% of that Bad optics fine. Different from my post saying these comp packages are complicated and...
  7. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    seems like it is because you say things like: youā€™re treating it as though itā€™s pay based on 2022 performance or production But it very well could be a term from his joining in 2019, that if by X date the market cap of company is Y, then his payout will be based on Z and to repeat, Iā€™m...
  8. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    I donā€™t know Irrelevant to decorum though
  9. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    these exec comp packages can be misleading and confusing. In 2022 Musk made zero at Tesla. but in 2021 Musk made $23.5 billion in stock options Sort of similarly, Lucidā€™s CEO had a market cap performance target in his deal, which market cap target he hit last year (to be paid this year)...
  10. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    Of course Tesla xwitter is 80% this rn
  11. cvalue13

    Cory Steuben’s New Gig: Lucid Motors

    Fanboiā€™s attack!!
  12. cvalue13

    Sandy Munro bottle openers for sale / donation

    I seem to remember them having these a long while back would explain the old design getting rid of old stock
  13. cvalue13

    Model 3 Refresh Revealed!

    Some cool previews of CyberTruck features here
  14. cvalue13

    WSJ- Biden admin to funnel $13B to EV manufacturers with unions. Screwing Tesla.

    To say nothing of the fact that $13 billion is almost exactly the total amount Tesla has made to date selling carbon credits to other U.S. manufacturers - and Tesla isnā€™t done collecting that anytime soon (currently almost $2B/yr) So here we are, where (maybe) everyone but Tesla is going to...
  15. cvalue13

    Favicon this forum and X(twitter)

    I decree itā€™s like ā€˜Xylophoneā€™ zwitter
  16. cvalue13

    Favicon this forum and X(twitter)

    Headed to xwitter to post some xweets
  17. cvalue13

    Jailbreak Tesla

    ? at bottom, the point of some, is the same can be said to Musk until then, game on
  18. cvalue13

    Jailbreak Tesla

    I see people hacking to have full height adjustability
  19. cvalue13

    Jailbreak Tesla

    no time for depth, but basically you say companies can do what they wanted. Buyers can vote with her feet. But reciprocally, buyers can do what they want, and sellers can vote with their terms of sale. If Tesla doesnā€™t want people, hacking software, which is legal, they may convert entirely to...
  20. cvalue13

    Jailbreak Tesla

    not even certain of that Under section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), it is ā€œunlawful to circumvent technological measures used to prevent unauthorized access to copyrighted works.ā€ but since 2018 thereā€™s an exemption repair of motorized land vehicles (including tractors)...
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